The Moon Controversy

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#1 David on 02.11.09 at 6:17 pm

It strikes me as a bit strange that we now have to figure out how to build a lander that can safely land and return a crew to moon orbit.

It would appear we don’t know how to do it, yet we have a landing module sitting in the museum that supposedly landed on the moon and returned the crew safely to their orbiting craft.

And how many times did we do this without a hitch, other than Apollo 13?

But now we don’t know how?

#2 Philip on 02.13.09 at 4:24 pm

The 10 million $
for a recent photo of the one of the Rovers
was never claimed not by Hubble – nobody.
The Indians can report actually that there is no Rover
but they got nuclear knowledge for silence

VanAllen was thought 200 KM thick
now we know it’s 200,000
Also there wa a heave sun storm at that time
And none of thes guys have cancer . . .

#3 Leyton Jay on 02.17.09 at 9:58 am

I don’t understand how there can be any question about this.

We went to the moon, partially to prove to the Russians that we could, there was nothing there and it cost a lot, so we left it.

Simple as that. Anyone who entertains any notion that we didn’t go to the moon is speaking through either complete ignorance of FACT or because they WANT to believe otherwise.

I’ve listened long and hard to people who believe it was a conspiracy and every single point they raise as proof is scientifically flawed and shows their lack of research.

Only now is there any point going back, we can build research stations and shipyards on the moon now we have better technology and more money.

1960s spacecraft did the job, barely. When you add more sensors, telescopes, cargo containers, high-gain antennas and people the entire solution has to be re-engineered. With new materials and safety standards tested.

What? Did you just think NASA were going to send the same 1960s vehicles back up into space?? Come on, be serious.

If a spacecraft is assembled on the moon it needs less than the energy of a small roller-coaster to get it into orbit. Plus the water at the moon’s pole (which we’ve only just discovered) can be split into oxygen to breathe and hydrogen to use as fuel. That’s why we’re going back.

#4 Jim on 02.18.09 at 4:44 am

I don’t know about all that. I just thought it was funny. And at the same time, not.

#5 David on 02.19.09 at 12:38 am

Leyton Jay I have a question for you.

Why did they fudge the testing of the lunar samples then?

The original test results were deleted years ago and are now denied to have ever taken place.

I really want to know why they did this and if you can help with an answer I would be very thankful.

I’m not saying they didn’t go to the moon, but it didn’t happen the way it was presented or the way it is being presented today…something is very wrong with the existing story because too many pieces have been reworked to accommodate (hide) whatever the problem was they encountered.

#6 Brocke on 02.19.09 at 3:52 pm

David,

As time goes on it seems your thoughts inch closer and closer to my position. I cannot find it on the current forum, but I am pretty sure on one of the older forums I explained my beliefs about the moon landings.

Anyone that thinks we just up and decided to go because Kennedy thought it was cool, and then made a successful trip with the same famous crew that cannot remember half of what happened, and shy away from other subjects when they are brought up, seriously needs their head examined.

I don’t debate or argue about the moon anymore because honestly it is disrespectful to my vast knowledge to even lower myself to replying to the same cookie-cutter arguments I have heard from every person that is insecure with what happens in reality.

However, I am all for talking with anyone that truly wants to learn, whatever the truth.

This is the truth, read carefully:

Beings from this planet have gone to the moon before. When attempting to narrow down the time-frame of WHEN this happened things get difficult. Did some beings from this planet go to the moon between 1950-2000, well that is very hard to say without being directly involved. However, I would have to say that they did, or if they did not they at least have a greater knowledge about what the moon is than is being shared publicly. How they got this knowledge is up to you to think about.

Moving on, did the beings that went there, go in some crappy 1960′s toy-looking aluminum-foil lander?

No, absolutely not. The belief factor in this is even more ridiculous than some major religions.

So what we are left with is that some people either went to the moon in a different manner than what was presented, possibly having a different crew or ship or something as David has mentioned, or they have not gone anytime recently and just rely on ancient knowledge about the travels.

Either way – it adds up to the fact that the public image was a lie, and a very big one at that.

I don’t know about lunar samples and all that, I do not disagree with such a thing being possible, but how am I to know where it even came from?? Perhaps it came from whatever ship actually made the journey?? If there was a real journey?

This might sound unbelievable to many, but I honestly could not care at all.

When weighing the “facts” of something of this psychological magnitude, the intent of a person or a collective group of people is very important. Sometimes the best evidence is the fact that during every step of the way there were mis-truths, and white lies. When all these add up the resulting picture is one that is not the same.

What many might find interesting is the footage of how to make the earth look far away when it really is in close orbit.

Or emotional astronauts at anniversaries choking back tears after many questions asked.

Or famous men suddenly retiring and keeping away from multiple interviews.

Or former astronauts talking about UFOS! (more later)

Or economic calculations on how profitable a successful moon mission would be because of the psychological and national impact during the cold war days.

Or low quality video feeds during the live moon-walks, when we had much higher quality broadcasts possible.

Or the historic and amazingly creative career works of a man known as Stanley Kubrick.

Or Kennedy stating when we would go to the moon based off of…..what exactly?

Or Russia’s repeated failures with moon missions, and the fact that at one point in time they ultimately gave up.

Or that we magically just came up with the smart idea to visit the moon in the 50′s and 60′s, and contrary to the laws of probability of success when studying the supposed moon-lander that we used, succeeded, returned home, had a likeness put in a museum, and we have not found it important to go back for almost 40 or so years. Then recently, upon much study, declare we cannot make the trip until 2020 or so because we apparently forgot how to go there, and need to find out.

Or the fact that NASA got its creation and founding principles from former Nazis, and psychological warfare and application was a big part of the NAZI party’s success.

Or the fact that regardless of how technology progresses, not one single other country besides the US has made a “successful” manned moon landing mission even though they are just as human as we are. What?? I guess the US is just 100 years ahead of everyone else??

Or that almost all of the released official moon landing photos have been proven to be faked, or at the VERY LEAST modified and changed, and because of this cannot be thought of as the genuine picture. But of course you know people will say it was necessary to change them, and that nothing is wrong with that…. right… moving on.

Or that as the years go on more and more astronauts come forward to admit more and more things that would be unbelievable at the time they were happening. Whether about NASA, or their friends, or their missions, or what they saw, or what they didn’t see.

Or the fact that the atrocities of history usually aren’t revealed until long after the criminals are dead or beyond reach by the law of the times. When exactly can we openly study the Kennedy files again?? Might want to find out the answer for yourself. When was he killed again?? Hmm seems like a long time to have something sealed and hidden.

Or the fact that recently in the news a certain individual was uncovered to be responsible for a 50 BILLION dollar FRAUD he was running, costing people their homes , businesses, and ultimately some of them their lives because they could not take the awful reality of what had happened. Oh but it is ok right??? No one could ever commit a fraud with something involving so much money could they??? Oh heavens no that is impossible I say!! Moving on….

Or the fact that always closely entangled with technological advancement agencies are military strategist types. The long history of the military extending to almost every area of importance. The much unknown chess-type strategy and knowledge of these types even in the 1950′s would scare people just finding out today. Because of constant wartime thinking, the psychological strategy of military types has made great leaps forward both in its theory and now its applications.

Or that many of those that do believe we have gone to the moon insist on help or influence from an extraterrestrial source, which discounts by its very nature the public image that we were sold of a few stand-up guys and their dinky little ship. You cannot have it both ways.

Or the fact that in times of global influence, that is to say, a large percentage of the global population focused on a specific date or happening or event, frauds have been proven to be fashionable for the sake of improving image. During the Beijing opening ceremonies much fraud was used. This was later admitted to and described. Just a recent case for anyone that wants to do some digging.

I could go on for days but at this point it is pretty ridiculous.

Did we go to the moon in recent history? Maybe

Did people go to the moon before from this planet? Yes

Is it possible to go to the moon with a successful manned mission? Yes

Is this possible using the current technology and methods? No

Did the first successful mission happen as reported with no other changes to the story, in a very lucky ship? No

Are there mountains of lies and misinformation from the officials that make all these fantastic claims about history (like the moon landing)?? Yes

Is the burden of proof on them for introducing such an amazing story to the record books in the first place? Yes

Is it a person’s job to defend an agency’s position even though they have done nothing for you and they have made these claims all by themselves?? No

Should we study what all astronauts say, not only now but from the past and in the future as well to map the way stories are told and history is written?? Yes.

Are there astronauts that say they have seen UFOs? Yes

Are there astronauts that say they have seen UFOs in space? Yes

Are there astronauts that say they have seen UFO’s near or on the moon? Yes

Do the majority of people, while believing the public moon landing image and story, disbelieve the fact that aliens exist or that extraterrestrial ships have been seen by their own astronauts? Yes

Does that make any sense? No

Can you have it both ways in regards to saying we landed on the moon, but that there are no aliens around and that no one has seen them? No

Have you swallowed your tasty foot? Yes

Personally, I view it as just all one big mindgame. For example, in recent years, the astronauts that claim they have seen UFOs and that they saw them on them moon missions, I do not believe. Well at least not fully. But I just used that in an example did I not?? Yes I did.

Why did I do that?? Because it shows that even though I do not personally believe it, the people that idolize their moon heroes cannot only choose to believe part of what they are saying about their missions. You cannot believe the moon part and not the alien part. Sorry, the whole thing goes out the window if you choose not to take it all. And this I think was the point of it all. After all, with many of the people that do not believe the moon landings happened, whether they think it never happened at all or just never happened the way it was said, many of that crowd also have done some study into extraterrestrials.

So hey, if we give them a moon hero admitting to the fact that he saw aliens, and that aliens are legit, they have no choice but to now accept the shady moon missions, because hey, now its ok, it happened with aliens, everything is fine now, go back to sleep.

Did NASA say anything about aliens?

The truth like many times, is somewhere in the middle of all this foolishness. Somewhere, sometime, some people went to the moon. I don’t know what the hell they did there but it must have been important. Since then, they have not publicly gone back. I am sure along the way, whether on the real moon missions, or just in earth orbit, people have seen extraterrestrial ships. When exactly this happened and who it happened to is up for debate. But like I said, I do not buy the fishbait that the moon landings happened just as they said they did, because someone wants to come along now and say “oh by the way… I saw alien ships there too….. just thought you should know”.

Sorry, I am too experienced for the likes of that.

Either way, it makes for an interesting study, and more is going on than is commonly understood for sure.

That’s all I have to say about that (Forrest Gump)

~ Brocke

#7 David on 02.20.09 at 12:23 am

This is getting better as it goes along.

The idea that we have the required science and technology to build a manned base on the moon or on Mars needs a rewrite.

What is commonly accepted as the very latest in science and technology does not allow for a manned moon base.

If there is a non-uniform differential in the underlying force of energy sustaining the physical structure of each planetary body, there would also be a time/line distortion existing between each planetary body.

Time/line distortions are not good news for rocket based space explorers.

It seems insane that NASA has not even found a suitable replacement for the Challenger series as yet, but they are planning a manned base on the moon which will require routine supplies and services.

At the same time it is uncertain how this would actually be possible, as we do not as yet have a method by which to transport crew safely to and from the moon.

But nonetheless we are going to build a manned base on the moon???

Only if we can get there and back safely and only if an actual base is built on the moon.

If a non-uniform underlying differential in energy is denied and time/line distortions are denied, I would have to say NASA is in denial of the actual science and technology required.